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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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this is like deja view isn't joe

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alabaster it is very strange yes hello

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and welcome to the skeptic zone or as we

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like to call it take to we recorded the

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whole introduction folks and I looked at

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my recorder and i press the wrong button

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this is the skeptic room number 314 for

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the 26 of october 2014 Joe alabaster and

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I are at the festival of mind body

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spirit or as we love to call it Joe

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mind-body bullet we do indeed we're

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having a coffee before our big adventure

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wandering around the halls here we're

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waiting for a run so Deb from a grain of

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salt he's coming along and our new

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friends Alethea Dean who's very

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interested in all matters are skeptical

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but what an experience this is going to

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be Jeff I understand this is your first

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mind-body wallet this is my first mind

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what he will i'm not entirely sure what

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to expect as i wasn't for the paranormal

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expo either but I've got a feeling there

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might be a few things here that I

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comparatively you might just do that

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we're going to be on the lookout for all

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especially i should say people making

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outrageous claims so we're looking for

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people claiming to be able to say cure

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cancer or especially especially that but

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all sorts of other claims we'll see how

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also like to know what's coming up on

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this week's show and on this week's show

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yes it's the it's another report by Jojo

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you're going to be reporting on Kim

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I am indeed we tend to treat chemtrails

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sometimes but there was a bit of time so

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yeah I'm looking into them this week we

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not so many I must admit but when I used

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skies I remember looking up seeing the

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skies full of these these trails which

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as chemtrail so Joe looking forward to

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your report and we have that Maynard

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spooky action and once again Maynard is

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reporting from the a similar event to

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this the paranormal and spiritual Expo

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his last report talking to a ghost

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hunter and I have a bit of a chat to

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Maynard to discover why he does why his

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approach is so softly softly and why he

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likes the chapter people and why he

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he doesn't do that and I can't think

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Jody but what else could be coming up in

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this week's show you use your psychic

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power I will use my psychic power and

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assuring myself right now the listeners

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word are ayos we concerns good heavens I

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don't know how you do it Joe you should

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apply for the Australian skeptics

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$100,000 Kelly my sure how we consigns

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from RI oz half of course now what we'll

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do Joe is halfway through our we end

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rings with Iran and Alethea around the

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mind-body wallet will as stop an update

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what we want is some more evidence piece

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hello this is Joe alabaster

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chemtrail conspiracy theory I am utterly

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guilty of treating chemtrails as a bit

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and bizarre beliefs they're up there

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more seriously what is the conspiracy

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theory about what are its ramifications

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believers why in the world are they

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chemtrail documentaries he had me beat I

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anthropomorphic climate changes so aside

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aircraft saving that these threats were

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becoming more overt prevalent and

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alarming Australian Federal Police have

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monitored anti chemtrail activists

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planning to intercept airline pilots at

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sydney airport again more police

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resources while pilots in particular and

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aviation companies in general experience

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concern for their safety those are a few

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points demonstrating anti chemtrail

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activism is effect on the general public

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but what about the believers I don't

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imagine that it feels wonderful to hold

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the belief that the government and all

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the aviation industry and or the

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Illuminati are out there wielding power

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and spraying the skies and causing harm

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to the population similar to

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anti-vaccination conspiracy theorists

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who believe that the medical

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establishment and government and we're

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talking doctors nurses researchers

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pharmaceutical companies mp's public

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health officials and journalists are all

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out to harm them Andy Cantrell activists

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subscribe to a rather far-reaching

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conspiracy the government the military

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at the aviation industry from CEOs to

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baggage handlers aeronautical engineers

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involved in designing assembling

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maintaining and repairing aircraft

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everybody employed by an airport

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everybody involved in manufacturing and

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transporting the chemicals that they

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allege are being sprayed then perhaps

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emergency services workers in case of

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plane

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surely they'd need to know how to cover

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up evidence of chemical tanks and

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spraying that's a heck of a lot of

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people who need to be working at keeping

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a substantially large secret don't you

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think therefore that's the heck of a lot

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of people who are willing to sacrifice

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the health of the general population in

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order to carry out some grand master

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plan now this is a point that really

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gets me when it comes to those who

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subscribe to these theories the huge

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number of people that they must believe

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that even malicious or stupid it seems

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such a bleak view to hold of your fellow

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humans that and there's a general worry

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imagine watching the skies with fear

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genuinely worrying for your health

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people are afraid of something for which

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there's no credible evidence and while

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this happens often I suppose and it's

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easy to get sidetracked as to who is

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responsible the chemtrail conspiracy

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theory does cause fear occasionally that

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fear leads people to wear masks or

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scarves over their faces or spend time

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spraying vinegar in the air around them

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which allegedly dissipates or

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neutralizers come to our chemicals

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others turn to buying products

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specifically designed to provide

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protection orgonite devices and

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solutions to be ingested homeopathic or

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otherwise in extreme cases people

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relocate to so-called safe zones where

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aircraft has said not to be spraying

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while we might find the belief

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irrational people do generally believe

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it nonetheless and the concern and

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agitation generated by this belief is

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real finally there's the tendency of

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people who believe in one conspiracy

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theory to be open to others and there

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are others which caused more direct

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immeasurable harm to individuals and

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society such as anti-vaccine spira sees

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it's difficult to make decisions which

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will lead to positive social health and

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well-being outcomes for yourself and

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your loved ones if you have a strong

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distrust in scientific consensus and all

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authority and yes I did mention social

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outcomes while I do my utmost not to

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ridicule individuals in fact I have some

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sympathy for people living with the fear

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of what's in our skies I do still think

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that chemtrails are one of the wackier

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and more far-fetched can spear

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see theories out there and I can't see

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the satire letting up anytime soon on

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with

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hello everybody welcome to episode show

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ada bunga bunga what a great shirt is I

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see we've we've got a small audience

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here at the frou-frou cafe ingly Point

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Road bunga bunga show a we have a whole

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stack of stuff coming we've got some

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great bunga bunga brown-nosing coming

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your way we've got Tim's historical

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hypothetical this time one set in the

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21st century involving the Labour Party

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I know you're going to enjoy that

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because we are at the frou-frou cafe in

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glebe the way turning staffs being very

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nice to us and we'll be having a baby

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drop in later from Richard Saunders of

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this dry and skeptics he was on our

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first show his popularity has really

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gone through the floor since that and he

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sees he's hoping against her perhaps

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claw it back the great thing with

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Richard Saunders from the skeptics you

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don't know what to believe on Maynard

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a highlight of the Australian skeptics

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national convention going back as far as

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1982 has been the awarding of the bent

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spoon prize to the most preposterous

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piece of paranormal or pseudo scientific

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piffle past winners have included Tom

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Ward's the self-proclaimed psychic peter

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brock the racing car driver woman's day

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magazine steve visored from tonight live

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on channel 7 the Southern Cross

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University journalist my Quilici the

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so-called free energy generator from Lou

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tech and in more recent years Merrill

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dory from the Australian vaccination

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network and Fran Sheffield from

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homeopathy class always an interesting

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lineup of potential bent spoon winners

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and 2014 is no exception shortlisted for

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this year we have Elaine Hollingsworth

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nominated by david dodd for the film one

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answer for cancer Elaine Hollingsworth

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promotes a tax on medicine and a single

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cure for all types of cancer and also

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runs the following website including

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doctors are dangerous calm our next

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nomination is dr. Marian Damacy

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nominated by ilyas milicic I would like

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to nominate dr. Marian Damacy for the

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bent spoon award for the two part series

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called the heart of the matter she made

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for the ABC catalyst program that dealt

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with the link between cholesterol and

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heart disease to quote a sydney morning

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herald article the program focused

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heavily on the opinions of us experts

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one of whom believes vaccines can cause

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autism and another who promotes

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chiropractic for heart problems while a

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number of high-profile australian

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experts were not used our next nominee

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the institute of public affairs and

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andrew bolt

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nominated by Tony good fellow I nominate

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the Institute of Public Affairs and

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Andrew Bolt for their climate change

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denialism promoting anti-intellectualism

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through contradicting established

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evidence and causing harm through

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stopping adaptation and mitigation

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efforts by their obfuscation I also

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nominate them for misusing the word

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skeptic next on the list we have the

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premium wine card nominated by many

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people a credit sighs plastic card that

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claims to be able to change the taste of

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wine water and other drinks simply by

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rubbing it against the glass holding

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liquid sounds too good to be true to

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quote the website the technology the

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premium wine card contains an embedded

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set of precise frequencies that produces

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a long-lasting natural resonance the

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resonance can be transmitted to the wine

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through the glass more so-called

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explanations and videos can be seen at

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their website premium wine card com it

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almost seems like a page from the Power

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Balance book of advertising it goes

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without saying that if these claims were

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true the inventors would be in line for

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a Nobel Prize or even two but at least

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there's some good advice mixed in with

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the New Age double-talk the premium wine

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card does not affect the alcoholic

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content of the wine the resonance from

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the embedded frequencies will enhance

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the taste of the wine but not alter the

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alcoholic content of the wine in any way

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be aware that a hundred milliliters of

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red wine is equivalent to one standard

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drink under Australian alcohol

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guidelines and finally we have dr. Larry

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Marshall nominated by Peter Roni I would

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like to nominate newly appointed head of

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the CSIRO dr. Larry Marshall for the

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Australian skeptics prestigious bent

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spoon award

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the perpetrator of the most preposterous

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piece of paranormal or pseudo scientific

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people it was recently reported that dr.

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Marshall is promoting the quote

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technology and quote of divining or

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dowsing for water as a solution to

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Australia's drought problems he claims

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that he has quote seen people do it with

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close to eighty percent accuracy end

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quote but has quote no idea how they do

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it end quote and that the road CSIRO can

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push the envelope with such projects and

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contribute to improving agricultural

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productivity end quote perhaps dr.

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Marshall is unaware of the Australian

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skeptics prize of one hundred thousand

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dollars for anyone successfully locating

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underground water by divining or dowsing

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with a consistent success rate above

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that of random chance with recent

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funding cuts the CSIRO could certainly

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do with the extra money well that's a

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brief overview of this year's nominees

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for the Australian skeptics bent spoon

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priors bent spoon Award for more

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information visit www or just google

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welcome to Weekend science from RI oz

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bringing you the science you need to

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know you may have heard about 3d

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printing the technology that allows you

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to make almost anything so long as you

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can designer on a computer but get ready

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today we are talking about the next big

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advance 4d printing 3d printing is

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pretty amazing as we said you can print

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out almost any shape you can think of as

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long as you can designer on a computer a

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printer prints out either metal plastic

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or many other substances into

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three-dimensional shapes by laying layer

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upon layer however one limitation is

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that you still need to assemble 3d

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printed parts into a more complex

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structure what if we said the next big

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development called 4d printing was to

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create shapes that can actually assemble

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themselves into their final three

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dimensional structure that's what

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researchers are working on now to create

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principle materials and structures which

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when activated fold themselves into a

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predetermined shape this activation

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could be water electricity heat really

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anything these structures are made by

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combining plastic and smart memory

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material which can morph into different

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shapes one of the most obvious

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applications of this is to create

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structures which are flat or small so

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they can be shipped easily and then be

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activated into their functional shape

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once on location could this be the end

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of trying to assemble fiddly flat-pack

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furniture man I hope so objects could

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also be made which have a different

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structure in different conditions

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meaning one object could have several

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different uses structures could also

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react to their surroundings to change

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shape and optimize their effectiveness

552
00:24:33,009 --> 00:24:29,190
how cool is that and now here's four

553
00:24:35,749 --> 00:24:33,019
fast facts about 40 printing

554
00:24:38,659 --> 00:24:35,759
4d printing was revealed to the world in

555
00:24:41,419 --> 00:24:38,669
a TED talk by MIT researchers Skylar

556
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:41,429
Tibbits we recommend checking it out the

557
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:43,320
shapes that the structures convert into

558
00:24:48,139 --> 00:24:45,240
are determined during the design stage

559
00:24:50,539 --> 00:24:48,149
so every step of the conversion from one

560
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:50,549
shape to the other is controllable one

561
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,289
of the other interesting applications

562
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:54,480
for this technology is medicine where

563
00:24:58,820 --> 00:24:56,820
molecules can react and transform into

564
00:25:01,249 --> 00:24:58,830
functional types when they reach a

565
00:25:02,989 --> 00:25:01,259
particular part of the body and one of

566
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:02,999
the largest self-folding structures

567
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,340
we've seen is this 50-foot long strand

568
00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:07,440
but this technology will be scaled up

569
00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:10,019
even further in the future want to find

570
00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:12,419
out more about 4d printing check out our

571
00:25:21,139 --> 00:25:19,080
website w WR i ASO GA you where we have

572
00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:21,149
some links you can also follow us on

573
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:24,299
twitter at ra oz and like us on facebook

574
00:25:45,090 --> 00:25:48,440
what

575
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:50,549
well it's about halfway through our

576
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:52,330
meanderings here at mind-body wallet

577
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:53,890
first of all I'm whether answer give

578
00:25:58,500 --> 00:25:57,010
relief to Dean and Joe alabasta friends

579
00:26:00,180 --> 00:25:58,510
what an interesting experience it is

580
00:26:02,790 --> 00:26:00,190
alethea I don't think you've been to one

581
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,800
like this before no my very 1st and a

582
00:26:07,620 --> 00:26:05,440
big difference from the paranormal and

583
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:07,630
spiritual and expo which we went to a

584
00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:10,720
couple of weeks ago big difference bid

585
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:14,950
is a lot more a lot more a lot fancier a

586
00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:20,110
lot flusher so yeah everything's set up

587
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:25,240
a bit more upscale and yeah the range of

588
00:26:29,490 --> 00:26:27,000
things are certainly more impressive

589
00:26:31,890 --> 00:26:29,500
everything everything from things we

590
00:26:35,130 --> 00:26:31,900
were actually getting quite excited like

591
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:35,140
the chai tea oh the teasing teen I'm

592
00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:36,910
wear some jeans girl welcome to you

593
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,040
every Iran I don't think you've been to

594
00:26:42,419 --> 00:26:40,960
one for a little while you sir yeah well

595
00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:42,429
I haven't been for a little while but

596
00:26:45,630 --> 00:26:43,630
the funny thing was that the first time

597
00:26:50,270 --> 00:26:45,640
that we actually walked into that's the

598
00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:50,280
guy with the was selling these plastic

599
00:26:57,540 --> 00:26:55,480
placemats energized that energized water

600
00:27:02,040 --> 00:26:57,550
yeah it's just somebody I remember from

601
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:02,050
from one several years ago at a darling

602
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,510
harbour and the reason I remembered him

603
00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:06,640
he took a while for it to come back to

604
00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:08,350
me but the reason I remembered him was

605
00:27:15,450 --> 00:27:12,340
because the excuses he made for why it

606
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:15,460
cannot be tested and the the end his

607
00:27:21,330 --> 00:27:17,890
answers to how this might be tested for

608
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:21,340
example he just feels it that that's

609
00:27:24,570 --> 00:27:22,630
what brought it back I then remembered

610
00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:24,580
some additional details but he was it

611
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:28,030
was interesting to see how he basically

612
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:31,330
his explanation le he actually had a

613
00:27:37,140 --> 00:27:35,410
very good summary of his explanation of

614
00:27:39,150 --> 00:27:37,150
white cannot be test wipe double-blind

615
00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:39,160
is he said above my intentionally too

616
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:39,460
bad

617
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:43,929
for initially we thought he meant only

618
00:27:49,169 --> 00:27:47,890
for his stuff but now it just apparently

619
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,179
everybody knows now that black

620
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:50,799
double-blind testing is the wrong way to

621
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,110
listings because it takes away all the

622
00:27:58,649 --> 00:27:56,080
emotional stuff all the emotional

623
00:28:01,169 --> 00:27:58,659
healing that would yeah yeah so it

624
00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:01,179
basically removes bias and we don't want

625
00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:02,950
that no no we don't want that because

626
00:28:08,909 --> 00:28:06,760
then we might not pass the test hmm so

627
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,919
it was very it was very interesting Joe

628
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,480
I think this is your first time at one

629
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,159
of these two isn't it this is my first

630
00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:14,399
time it's been fantastic actually I

631
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,020
sincerely recommend it to anybody who's

632
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:20,159
curious about those things you look so

633
00:28:29,220 --> 00:28:25,120
disingenuous not sure I mean it was but

634
00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:29,230
she is looking really pained I'd be a

635
00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:32,740
really really terrible cold Riga no I'm

636
00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:34,270
actually having a very interesting time

637
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:36,220
it's it's a little bit overwhelming

638
00:28:40,649 --> 00:28:38,890
frankly the scale of this and the number

639
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:40,659
of people with different claims

640
00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:43,289
different things they want to sell us

641
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:46,120
predominantly be them be their ideas or

642
00:28:49,710 --> 00:28:47,710
actual products and there are a lot of

643
00:28:51,450 --> 00:28:49,720
products for sale here a lot of products

644
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:51,460
for sale is there interesting how we've

645
00:28:55,289 --> 00:28:53,890
all had a go and asking questions the

646
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:55,299
greatest question you can ask is how

647
00:28:58,860 --> 00:28:56,890
does it work and take it from there and

648
00:29:00,779 --> 00:28:58,870
it doesn't take long before they don't

649
00:29:02,639 --> 00:29:00,789
know what the same they have no idea and

650
00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:02,649
one of the things that were actually

651
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,419
we've seen them at several sense today

652
00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:07,120
were the the earphones the basically

653
00:29:11,010 --> 00:29:09,220
just head it's a basically headphones

654
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:11,020
here it's a it's definitely that I

655
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:12,250
haven't seen this before but there were

656
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:14,890
at least 33 stands here that we saw we

657
00:29:20,610 --> 00:29:16,510
saw it they had basically what it is

658
00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:20,620
it's they have headphones on and they

659
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:23,260
somehow scan your body through these

660
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:24,850
headphones and and on the computer

661
00:29:29,710 --> 00:29:27,890
screen up pops a great graphic of your

662
00:29:31,870 --> 00:29:29,720
organs yes little spots on them saying

663
00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:31,880
here's what's wrong with yes so but so

664
00:29:37,690 --> 00:29:35,240
the question I asked was about how okay

665
00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:37,700
so I understand that how sound can be

666
00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:40,400
generated from headphones that's well

667
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:44,150
established technology if but and I ask

668
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:45,290
something that's a little bit of a trick

669
00:29:49,890 --> 00:29:48,110
question asked how do you how do you get

670
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:49,900
the feedback how do you how do you know

671
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:53,270
what comes back because they say how do

672
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,010
you go how you capturing that were using

673
00:29:59,770 --> 00:29:56,720
what mechanism using to capture the

674
00:30:01,000 --> 00:29:59,780
response the body's response now the

675
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:01,010
reason it's a bit of a trick question is

676
00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:03,410
because anybody with half an idea about

677
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:04,940
how to fly this technology works know is

678
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,610
that headphones can actually be used as

679
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:09,440
a microphone yeah if connected to the

680
00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:13,130
right yeah right input so but they have

681
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:15,230
no idea it's not connected to anything

682
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:17,960
that would be able to detect you'd have

683
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:19,850
to agree with me those claims that they

684
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:21,710
were making work outrageously oh yeah

685
00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:24,890
absolutely but I think that's kind of it

686
00:30:28,180 --> 00:30:26,270
as some types of people I've seen today

687
00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:28,190
hmm those are the only counts of people

688
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:30,800
have seen Stadium he died the acid

689
00:30:37,390 --> 00:30:34,970
alkaline guy Oh today but could detect

690
00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:37,400
what was wrong with him something was

691
00:30:40,660 --> 00:30:38,990
wrong with the region of your body to

692
00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:40,670
your place of the water didn't we we can

693
00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:42,740
see a wooden dowel I'm water and he was

694
00:30:46,990 --> 00:30:45,140
very careful actually and your sweat

695
00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:47,000
restless which is very careful to say

696
00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:49,580
that no he cannot diagnose cancer which

697
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:51,950
is probably very wise of humorous I mean

698
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:54,650
by the idea where that was depending on

699
00:30:58,690 --> 00:30:56,450
the taste of the alkaline water to the

700
00:31:00,610 --> 00:30:58,700
individual it would indicate what was

701
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:00,620
that something was wrong with a specific

702
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:04,610
part of your body so well I got a chunky

703
00:31:09,490 --> 00:31:07,010
taste which means that something is up

704
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:09,500
with my bow that's right same thing how

705
00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:11,090
you forgot about your reproductive organ

706
00:31:15,550 --> 00:31:13,340
yes I also tasted something a bit fishy

707
00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:15,560
which could either be my kidneys or my

708
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:18,200
reproductive organs organ the baby was

709
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:26,340
no that was my liver something's wrong

710
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:29,380
with my liver now just just before we

711
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:31,630
came to sit down the three of you had an

712
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:33,850
interesting sort of Christmas gendrich

713
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,800
cristo centric light that's the name of

714
00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:37,840
that like do three of you sitting down

715
00:31:43,410 --> 00:31:40,420
and two people to each of you yeah all

716
00:31:44,490 --> 00:31:43,420
doing things what happening I was

717
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:44,500
actually wondering whether they're also

718
00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:46,570
touching your girls did they touch your

719
00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:49,390
chest because they touched my nose okay

720
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:50,800
yeah she'd go that's that's that's

721
00:31:58,290 --> 00:31:55,320
something that only men yet okay yeah

722
00:31:59,880 --> 00:31:58,300
this was supposed to be the we had a

723
00:32:01,650 --> 00:31:59,890
choice actually between four different

724
00:32:03,210 --> 00:32:01,660
things I don't know moral for them but

725
00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:03,220
there was dream interpretation same

726
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:04,870
interpretation there was a paranormal

727
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:07,630
experience different experience

728
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:09,370
supernatural culture a blessing or a

729
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:12,010
healing yeah yeah that's awful so we

730
00:32:16,410 --> 00:32:13,840
chose I suppose we chose do I I actually

731
00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:16,420
chose both paranormal supernatural

732
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:18,550
experience energy and a dream

733
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:21,190
interpretation I told him some story

734
00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:22,570
some green kind of that I vaguely

735
00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:24,430
remember totally it happened this

736
00:32:30,390 --> 00:32:27,390
morning they saddled with it just the

737
00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:30,400
you know the distant some really basic

738
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,200
the kind of stuff that you would in a

739
00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:33,760
stream of consciousness if I told you

740
00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:35,020
the story now you would come up with the

741
00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:36,550
same things because there was something

742
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:38,350
with a wallet so obviously oh that means

743
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:39,610
you're worried about money and support

744
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:42,890
yeah but

745
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:45,110
they just great kind of prayed for me

746
00:32:52,030 --> 00:32:49,360
and told me how I'm spiritual and in how

747
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:52,040
Israel has a long history of blessing I

748
00:32:58,210 --> 00:32:54,170
haha that's clearly not blessed right

749
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:58,220
now so I came out of left field well I

750
00:33:01,210 --> 00:32:59,360
think you have to agree with me that

751
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:01,220
coming to these things every now and

752
00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:02,690
then it's completely worthwhile yeah

753
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:05,660
absolutely i put a bowl and you've

754
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:07,910
learned a lot huh I don't know how much

755
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:11,510
I've learned knowledge I have a mass I

756
00:33:16,210 --> 00:33:14,510
have certainly observed a lot that's a

757
00:33:18,820 --> 00:33:16,220
nice way to put it John I'm glad that

758
00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:18,830
you came along I'm very glad that I came

759
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,020
along um I'd be willing to do this again

760
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:22,880
in a heartbeat it's actually fascinating

761
00:33:27,370 --> 00:33:24,410
and I've got a lot of literature that

762
00:33:29,290 --> 00:33:27,380
I'm taking home and things to chase up

763
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:29,300
which will be fascinating yeah we all we

764
00:33:34,150 --> 00:33:31,010
want to their do something I want to

765
00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:34,160
just say about my experience here I felt

766
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:37,070
the most most profound aspect of this

767
00:33:44,170 --> 00:33:41,750
tour being as a World Vision stand it's

768
00:33:46,390 --> 00:33:44,180
a bit lonely there it is no people don't

769
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:46,400
that what they do is they have bottles

770
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:49,910
up but with the grimy water and it says

771
00:33:53,650 --> 00:33:52,190
dirty water on them obviously the idea

772
00:33:56,380 --> 00:33:53,660
is to attract attention to the fact that

773
00:33:57,610 --> 00:33:56,390
that there are millions of people the

774
00:33:59,530 --> 00:33:57,620
children in particular around the world

775
00:34:01,120 --> 00:33:59,540
who that's the water that they have that

776
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:01,130
they do not have access to clean water

777
00:34:07,810 --> 00:34:03,410
and

778
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:07,820
turned I told him that we kind of we

779
00:34:11,350 --> 00:34:09,290
know you know we are here kind of

780
00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:11,360
investigating we don't really young you

781
00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:12,380
know you're not really into this stuff

782
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:14,270
and we asked him how it was going and

783
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:17,330
they said not very well at all and the

784
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:20,210
girl they told told us a story about

785
00:34:24,820 --> 00:34:23,690
somebody who came and said that that she

786
00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:24,830
asked for donate they asked for

787
00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:26,390
donations obviously she said she can't

788
00:34:30,850 --> 00:34:28,820
afford it and she said she was thinking

789
00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:30,860
of course you can afford it you have an

790
00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:33,230
eighty dollar angel drawing under your

791
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:35,750
arm you know if you spend half of that

792
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:39,770
on on you know giving kids clean water

793
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:41,450
than you would have a huge amount of

794
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,270
impact yeah so okay I know it for some

795
00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:45,919
reason for some reason I would have

796
00:34:51,820 --> 00:34:49,150
expected that people here will be the

797
00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:51,830
sensitive kind would really care about

798
00:34:57,070 --> 00:34:53,990
kids not having access to clean water

799
00:35:05,410 --> 00:34:57,080
but well let those kids knew the secret

800
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:05,420
oh my convocation do you say to her yeah

801
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:07,730
you have to say it okay hey African

802
00:35:15,310 --> 00:35:10,010
orphans you should just learn to turn

803
00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:15,320
that frown upside down oh that's a

804
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:18,380
secret I'm glad I know the secret well I

805
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:20,330
leave the Iran and Joe thanks for

806
00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:22,250
joining me today at the mind-body we

807
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,990
still look a few more things to check

808
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:26,560
out before yeah and then now we know

809
00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:48,920
there's just so much coming up for

810
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:52,420
skeptics in Australia for the rest of

811
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:55,030
this year not only do we have James the

812
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,730
amazing Randi touring in early December

813
00:36:02,579 --> 00:35:59,920
and more important news about that on

814
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,589
next week's show we have the Australian

815
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:04,240
skeptics National Convention from the

816
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,970
28th to the 30th of November and if you

817
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:08,800
haven't bought your tickets yet now is

818
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:11,530
the time convention not skeptics not

819
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,990
home today you lots to do lots to see

820
00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:16,000
lots to learn on the Australian skeptics

821
00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:18,460
national convention including the winner

822
00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:20,500
of the bent spoon I wonder who that will

823
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:22,780
be and of course one of our guests at

824
00:36:25,980 --> 00:36:24,130
the Australian skeptics national

825
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:25,990
convention is Michael Marshall co-host

826
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:28,930
of skeptics with a K and the be

827
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:31,599
reasonable podcast and a member of the

828
00:36:35,579 --> 00:36:33,730
good thinking society where I can't wait

829
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:35,589
to hear what Michael Marshall has to say

830
00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:38,410
to us here in Sydney but for those

831
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:41,740
people living in Brisbane after the

832
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:43,420
convention Michael Marshall will be

833
00:36:48,059 --> 00:36:44,740
appearing in Brisbane to give another

834
00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:48,069
talk lifting the lid on going adventures

835
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,980
in the world of pseudoscience for more

836
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:52,960
information about an evening with

837
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:54,730
Michael Marshall for those people in

838
00:37:01,680 --> 00:36:57,520
Brisbane those people in Brisbane visit

839
00:37:03,450 --> 00:37:01,690
Brisbane skeptics dot org and at the top

840
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:03,460
of the page click the link for an

841
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:06,010
evening with Michael Marshall and that

842
00:37:25,019 --> 00:37:09,250
evening is the first of December more

843
00:37:33,380 --> 00:37:30,190
here's may not spooky action at the

844
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:36,540
everybody may not hear up man we've got

845
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:38,170
some spooky action at a distance for you

846
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:39,490
today in fact it will not be at a

847
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:41,020
distance today it won't even be an

848
00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:43,090
Einstein IAM and no no you'll be nice

849
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:44,860
and close it'll be very close very close

850
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:47,890
pookie action yes may not I'm really I

851
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:49,480
wouldn't have a chat with you about your

852
00:37:53,310 --> 00:37:51,370
recent spooky action at a distance

853
00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:53,320
because we've been getting feedback from

854
00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:56,200
listeners about them ah look I imagine

855
00:37:59,220 --> 00:37:57,700
people are breaking the door down and

856
00:38:01,890 --> 00:37:59,230
saying just cut this out with all this

857
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,900
ghost busting stuff just the opposite a

858
00:38:05,460 --> 00:38:03,040
lot of people have been writing in

859
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:05,470
saying how interested they are that

860
00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:06,670
we're doing this we're taking this

861
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:07,960
approach I just wanted to take a moment

862
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:10,210
to have a chat with you about it I

863
00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:12,730
really enjoy the fact that when you talk

864
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:15,400
to paranormal people's we could call

865
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:18,490
them that it's sort of um you're very

866
00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:21,250
disarming and and they're not they're

867
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:22,870
not arguing with you they're simply

868
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,370
telling you what they think I think

869
00:38:29,730 --> 00:38:26,800
that's a really interesting insight well

870
00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:29,740
I think I think also I I would prefer to

871
00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:33,030
use the the name anomalous they've

872
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:35,230
discovered something anomalous tall I

873
00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:36,910
think there's something anomalous and

874
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:38,950
they well I think that refer themselves

875
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:40,540
as anomalous which is kind of what I

876
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:43,180
like because they are creating a

877
00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:45,970
paranormal solution but which may or may

878
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:47,800
not be correct but it's mainly an

879
00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:49,750
anomaly they're looking into so I prefer

880
00:38:55,650 --> 00:38:53,080
that and I am doing this from a point of

881
00:38:57,330 --> 00:38:55,660
curiosity which is why which is what

882
00:39:00,960 --> 00:38:57,340
attracted me to the skeptic movement I

883
00:39:02,370 --> 00:39:00,970
like to find out things and if some

884
00:39:04,350 --> 00:39:02,380
people want to find out a paranormal

885
00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:04,360
solution that may not be backed up with

886
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:06,220
evidence I'm certainly interested in

887
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:08,110
finding out at least why they think that

888
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,810
I think it's invaluable may not I really

889
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:12,640
do because I mean I speak to a lot of

890
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:15,520
these people but when I do they often

891
00:39:20,190 --> 00:39:18,250
know who i am i'm a prominent skeptic

892
00:39:22,110 --> 00:39:20,200
and so their attitude is quite different

893
00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:22,120
but when you come along just to

894
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:23,980
interview them suddenly we hear what

895
00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:26,800
they really think and again i think for

896
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:28,780
our listeners especially it's really

897
00:39:32,970 --> 00:39:31,330
it's a great lesson for them and today

898
00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:32,980
is no exception we're going to you're

899
00:39:38,250 --> 00:39:35,080
going to be talking to a ghost hunter

900
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:38,260
but just just the way you get inside his

901
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,780
mind and i don't want to say you give

902
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:42,160
him enough rope but it's sort of a

903
00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:44,320
little bit like that well i wish to

904
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:45,580
mention this could be the interview

905
00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:46,480
where we mentioned I

906
00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:49,150
I wish to wonder why people who look for

907
00:39:55,950 --> 00:39:52,990
signs of spirits and that kind of thing

908
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:55,960
don't use the ultraviolet frequency of

909
00:40:01,260 --> 00:39:57,370
light the way they like to use the

910
00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:01,270
infrared and I just running why why it's

911
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:03,160
not traditional to use ultraviolet light

912
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:04,720
where it has become traditional for

913
00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:07,090
ghost hunters to use infrared I've got a

914
00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:08,680
pen that shines an ultraviolet light

915
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,270
maybe I should start looking for one now

916
00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:12,400
well there are a lot of like human

917
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:15,340
deposits that can light up in

918
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:17,170
ultraviolet light that may be why they

919
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,850
might not use it because you just get

920
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:21,280
the signs that actual live humans were

921
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:22,570
there so that might that actually worked

922
00:40:26,130 --> 00:40:24,370
so well that could be the reason but I

923
00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:26,140
don't know if that is it because cats

924
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:27,400
can see a little bit into the

925
00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:30,310
ultraviolet spectrum I believe Oh a lot

926
00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:32,230
of animals can see if far more than now

927
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:34,360
then weekend well this is why sometimes

928
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:36,190
cats will be staring at things

929
00:40:39,390 --> 00:40:38,170
apparently I mean sometimes it's no

930
00:40:40,890 --> 00:40:39,400
doubt because they're just being cats

931
00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:40,900
and they want to trick you but sometimes

932
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:42,340
them they might be seeing a little bit

933
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:44,410
of butter mouse urine or something like

934
00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:45,700
that that they would use to track their

935
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:47,740
prey or a moth is banged against the

936
00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:49,210
wall and left a bit of an imprint there

937
00:40:52,770 --> 00:40:50,740
that you can't see the cat can that

938
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,780
that's what I would suspect you might be

939
00:40:57,630 --> 00:40:54,400
right maybe they're looking at a ghost

940
00:41:00,450 --> 00:40:57,640
Maynard who knows who are we to say if

941
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,460
they are doing that or not but at once

942
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:02,800
again I'm glad that you can you can

943
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:06,160
interview these people and well we have

944
00:41:10,890 --> 00:41:08,110
a little peek inside their mind I think

945
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:10,900
well look I suggest look strike up a

946
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,910
conversation would I know a lot of

947
00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:14,800
skeptics um I haven't got a lot of

948
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:17,500
patience for people that seeked non

949
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:19,810
evidence-based solutions to things and I

950
00:41:23,550 --> 00:41:21,070
can certainly understand that after

951
00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:23,560
being many years in the organization and

952
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,300
talking to people you just get sick of

953
00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:28,240
hearing the similar thing but people do

954
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:30,580
have reasons that has steered them down

955
00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:33,310
a certain path and remember it's not

956
00:41:39,210 --> 00:41:36,430
your job to change them I think it's the

957
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,220
job just to find out why they think what

958
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,960
they think and basically I'm just a

959
00:41:44,970 --> 00:41:42,640
curious bugger and I like being that I

960
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,980
think that's absolutely right so why

961
00:41:49,830 --> 00:41:47,200
don't we both sit back man added enjoyed

962
00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:49,840
the next installment of your interviews

963
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:51,940
from the Australian paranormal and

964
00:41:57,509 --> 00:41:54,640
spiritual expo well I'm going to go

965
00:42:01,649 --> 00:41:59,880
I look I brought myself to look look at

966
00:42:03,509 --> 00:42:01,659
the paranormal streetwear guys over here

967
00:42:06,419 --> 00:42:03,519
but they're much more than that who we

968
00:42:07,709 --> 00:42:06,429
got here hi I'm Dan here you going good

969
00:42:09,389 --> 00:42:07,719
to meet you Dan now what are you

970
00:42:11,099 --> 00:42:09,399
representing this afternoon well today

971
00:42:12,299 --> 00:42:11,109
we're here is part of ghosts that's a

972
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:12,309
ghost hunters of the south coast and

973
00:42:15,419 --> 00:42:13,689
territories where a group of paranormal

974
00:42:18,539 --> 00:42:15,429
investigators on the south coast and the

975
00:42:20,999 --> 00:42:18,549
town of Milton near ala Delaware and we

976
00:42:23,489 --> 00:42:21,009
pretty much investigate private

977
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:23,499
residences businesses up and down the

978
00:42:28,109 --> 00:42:25,079
coast from Wollongong right down to the

979
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:28,119
border Danny Eden look I'm spoken to

980
00:42:32,549 --> 00:42:30,249
people Newcastle out west here borama

981
00:42:34,499 --> 00:42:32,559
and what's your favorite place to go to

982
00:42:40,139 --> 00:42:34,509
in your area it runs got their own

983
00:42:41,729 --> 00:42:40,149
favorite like venue in my area geez well

984
00:42:43,499 --> 00:42:41,739
we've investigated the Milton theater

985
00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:43,509
and that was interesting but there is a

986
00:42:48,419 --> 00:42:45,640
surf shop in the town of Milton which

987
00:42:49,709 --> 00:42:48,429
provided some fantastic results what's

988
00:42:51,779 --> 00:42:49,719
the history with the shop that would

989
00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:51,789
make it all that interesting well and

990
00:42:58,739 --> 00:42:55,390
funny you ask the original owner some

991
00:43:02,339 --> 00:42:58,749
cantankerous old bastard who passed away

992
00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:02,349
in 2001 at the age of 89 didn't like his

993
00:43:06,569 --> 00:43:04,329
family a whole lot so he ended up

994
00:43:09,209 --> 00:43:06,579
selling the building before he died to

995
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:09,219
the council for a dollar what yeah okay

996
00:43:12,569 --> 00:43:11,049
well there's there's some emotion there

997
00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:12,579
that's right that's right and we have

998
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:15,880
picked up on we have picked up on it on

999
00:43:20,609 --> 00:43:19,119
a certain thing there a young girl we

1000
00:43:22,409 --> 00:43:20,619
didn't know anyone who worked there at

1001
00:43:24,839 --> 00:43:22,419
that stage we didn't know any names and

1002
00:43:26,579 --> 00:43:24,849
threw a pendulum session we sort of like

1003
00:43:27,809 --> 00:43:26,589
a Ouija board sort of think I don't put

1004
00:43:29,339 --> 00:43:27,819
too much talking to those but we've got

1005
00:43:32,699 --> 00:43:29,349
a member of the crew who loves the old

1006
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:32,709
school stuff and we got some incredibly

1007
00:43:38,219 --> 00:43:34,569
detailed information which was verified

1008
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:38,229
by the owner it was very interesting and

1009
00:43:43,319 --> 00:43:40,529
that's probably probably one of the most

1010
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:43,329
Walter and Walter at the milton theater

1011
00:43:46,409 --> 00:43:44,649
that's right yeah little boy in the

1012
00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:46,419
milton theater you're talking about old

1013
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:48,219
school tools that you use here i'm

1014
00:43:51,689 --> 00:43:49,359
looking here and some of these things

1015
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:51,699
look like futuristic minds that you

1016
00:43:54,659 --> 00:43:53,169
might use in star wars or something like

1017
00:43:55,889 --> 00:43:54,669
you throw one down and put up the aerial

1018
00:43:57,269 --> 00:43:55,899
on your wait for the star troopers come

1019
00:43:59,069 --> 00:43:57,279
along but yet what have you got here

1020
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,079
what it would be the most high-tech toy

1021
00:44:04,109 --> 00:44:01,839
that you use oh okay well obviously I'm

1022
00:44:05,399 --> 00:44:04,119
probably too big to display here at the

1023
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:05,409
moment but obviously we use like a

1024
00:44:09,659 --> 00:44:07,089
security system where we can have the

1025
00:44:10,889 --> 00:44:09,669
the cameras locked off and set up we can

1026
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:10,899
keep an eye on the screens and for

1027
00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:11,200
different

1028
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:12,760
positions and see what's going on in

1029
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:15,130
rooms we've got everything from REM pods

1030
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:17,410
here which electromagnetic field

1031
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:18,490
disturbs then the lights and the

1032
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:20,050
whistles and all the bells go off so

1033
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:21,010
it's a quite an interesting piece of

1034
00:44:25,050 --> 00:44:23,560
equipment just explain to people what a

1035
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,060
rem-pod is again because I'm looking at

1036
00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:27,520
it it looks pretty bloody cool does look

1037
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:29,800
a bit Tom Baker a bit Tom Baker error

1038
00:44:36,089 --> 00:44:33,390
Doctor Who as well it's very TARDIS yes

1039
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:36,099
well what it does it creates its own

1040
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:38,950
little electromagnetic field right what

1041
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:41,050
sort of range well it can write you this

1042
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:42,520
one has multiple ranges on it so you can

1043
00:44:45,390 --> 00:44:43,690
do it from one inch right through to

1044
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:45,400
five inches so and if anything passes

1045
00:44:50,190 --> 00:44:48,490
over it's going to go off it also has a

1046
00:44:51,329 --> 00:44:50,200
temperature sensor on it as well so if

1047
00:44:53,460 --> 00:44:51,339
the temperature goes up and down it's

1048
00:44:54,810 --> 00:44:53,470
going to go off as well and it's it's

1049
00:44:55,950 --> 00:44:54,820
really good because it's it's quite loud

1050
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:55,960
so you can hear it no matter where you

1051
00:44:58,770 --> 00:44:57,700
place it and of course with the lights

1052
00:45:00,359 --> 00:44:58,780
if you get a locked off camera you can

1053
00:45:02,819 --> 00:45:00,369
see the lights going off on camera as

1054
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,829
well but probably the most interesting

1055
00:45:06,359 --> 00:45:04,000
piece of equipment we've got here is the

1056
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:06,369
vrm it don't ask me what it stands for

1057
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:08,410
cuz I have no idea but what this piece

1058
00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:10,450
of equipment does is it actually listens

1059
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:12,760
to the infields electromagnetic fields

1060
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:17,130
okay it looks a lot like a an extremely

1061
00:45:23,940 --> 00:45:21,040
extremely good sniper sight or a very

1062
00:45:25,710 --> 00:45:23,950
very directional microphone that's what

1063
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:25,720
it's all about it's it's quite accurate

1064
00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:28,510
so if you're in a in a place it's got a

1065
00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:29,740
lot of electricity running from it

1066
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:31,660
you're going to hear a lot of different

1067
00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:32,950
buzzing Xand sands and stuff like that

1068
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:35,230
but if you're in a location that's void

1069
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:37,510
of any electricity or has very little

1070
00:45:40,410 --> 00:45:39,160
electricity running through it this is a

1071
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:40,420
great piece of equipment because you

1072
00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:43,510
know if you do hear something that's not

1073
00:45:47,130 --> 00:45:45,670
in the natural environment it is quite

1074
00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:47,140
interesting and it's also you've heard

1075
00:45:51,329 --> 00:45:49,990
of EVPs electronic voice phenomena where

1076
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:51,339
you listen back to what you've recorded

1077
00:45:55,770 --> 00:45:52,930
you can hear voices this is real-time

1078
00:45:58,020 --> 00:45:55,780
EVP so you can actually hear as you're

1079
00:46:00,359 --> 00:45:58,030
listening so we'll put the headphones on

1080
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,369
do a sweep of the location and we'll

1081
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:01,839
also hook up a little digital recorder

1082
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,130
too so we can record everything that's

1083
00:46:06,930 --> 00:46:05,440
going on at the same time like I've been

1084
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:06,940
mentioning to a lot of people here it's

1085
00:46:11,309 --> 00:46:09,430
a bit like the ghost hunting industry is

1086
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:11,319
that these kind of events ah well yeah

1087
00:46:15,390 --> 00:46:12,730
well this is the this is the second

1088
00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:15,400
Australian paranormal Expo I was able to

1089
00:46:19,770 --> 00:46:16,900
visit last year and then obviously

1090
00:46:21,089 --> 00:46:19,780
invited to come along and and show off

1091
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:21,099
what we do and of course the ghost

1092
00:46:25,780 --> 00:46:22,640
paranormal street where

1093
00:46:27,130 --> 00:46:25,790
and it's privia that the I suppose the

1094
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:27,140
paranormal center in Australia is quite

1095
00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:30,050
young hmm we spoke to a couple of guys

1096
00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:32,390
from the states recently we had a big

1097
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:34,460
group of the quarantine station the

1098
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,710
Klingon brothers who used to be on ghost

1099
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,440
lab and they said basically in the

1100
00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:41,440
States especially places like Gettysburg

1101
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:44,540
a lot of paranormal teams every man and

1102
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:45,950
his dog as a paranormal team but in

1103
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,170
Australia it's a very very young

1104
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:50,240
industry and people slowly getting into

1105
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:52,310
it now tell me who would be the rock

1106
00:46:55,330 --> 00:46:54,230
stars of the ghost hunting industry who

1107
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:55,340
are the people we're going to go hey

1108
00:46:59,770 --> 00:46:57,140
they're here look out we're talking

1109
00:47:01,690 --> 00:46:59,780
about Australian weldable both Universal

1110
00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:01,700
but other other any in Australia again

1111
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:05,240
well as people we know and we look up to

1112
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:07,490
and respect but I suppose you've got the

1113
00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:10,250
guys that you see on TV guys from Ghost

1114
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:11,990
Adventures zak bagans is quite a big one

1115
00:47:16,180 --> 00:47:14,290
because he is a very loud personality

1116
00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:16,190
the Klingon brothers are quite good

1117
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,260
because they're very analytical they use

1118
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:20,240
a lot of the technical equipment which

1119
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:21,650
is really good and of course I think

1120
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:23,930
everyone remembers most haunted which is

1121
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:26,450
probably the first paranormal show on TV

1122
00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:28,450
really and they sort of set the scene

1123
00:47:33,370 --> 00:47:31,670
but yeah I mean they're coming on TV

1124
00:47:36,010 --> 00:47:33,380
quite often now we're getting from the

1125
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:36,020
hoarded cooked collector to others a

1126
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,370
wholly be shy so I can imagine off then

1127
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,960
of course the problem is with them with

1128
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:40,400
TV productions they're trying to push

1129
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:41,780
out something on a show that happens

1130
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:43,610
every week and as you know you go out on

1131
00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:45,980
a investigation a couple of times a week

1132
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:47,870
or once a week and sometimes nothing

1133
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:49,790
actually happens well to be quite honest

1134
00:47:52,990 --> 00:47:51,170
ninety-eight percent of the time you're

1135
00:47:54,910 --> 00:47:53,000
not gonna get anything happen it's that

1136
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:54,920
two percent that rare occasion where you

1137
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:57,050
get something and go well as you just

1138
00:48:00,130 --> 00:47:58,610
said on the TV shows that the production

1139
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:00,140
companies want value they want

1140
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:01,370
entertainment they want to see something

1141
00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:02,270
so that's why you get these

1142
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:03,950
personalities like zak bagans who's on

1143
00:48:07,090 --> 00:48:05,660
ghost adventures needs to be larger than

1144
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,100
life and these to get the crew watching

1145
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:10,160
but yeah it's one of those things there

1146
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:12,110
there are a few groups at the moment who

1147
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:13,760
are doing documentaries on YouTube

1148
00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:15,770
people like a whisper west sydney

1149
00:48:20,830 --> 00:48:17,780
paranormal research they do a lot of

1150
00:48:23,290 --> 00:48:20,840
documentaries and the crew from validate

1151
00:48:25,570 --> 00:48:23,300
and moon lock media who are making some

1152
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,580
really fantastic sup and even have a

1153
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:27,680
paranormal spoof series that have just

1154
00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:30,530
come out called spook troopers which is

1155
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,940
available on YouTube at the moment very

1156
00:48:35,810 --> 00:48:33,920
funny and now what's your personal

1157
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:35,820
theory on this now we're not going to

1158
00:48:40,220 --> 00:48:37,770
due to this one because but for me it's

1159
00:48:42,590 --> 00:48:40,230
it appears that it the theory goes along

1160
00:48:45,020 --> 00:48:42,600
the lines that people from another build

1161
00:48:47,420 --> 00:48:45,030
another dimensional plane can manipulate

1162
00:48:51,830 --> 00:48:47,430
electromagnetic frequencies that we can

1163
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,840
detect in a small way yeah round at

1164
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,000
roundabouts you know it's it's one of

1165
00:48:57,500 --> 00:48:55,920
those things we always come up with a

1166
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:57,510
lot of theories depending on the results

1167
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:59,010
and the data that we get on the

1168
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:01,140
investigation sometimes those theories

1169
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:03,060
tend to contradict each other so it's

1170
00:49:06,350 --> 00:49:04,980
one it's one of those learning steps but

1171
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:06,360
yeah I think the big thing that everyone

1172
00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:08,730
looks back to is the changes in the

1173
00:49:13,220 --> 00:49:10,590
atmospheric condition so electromagnetic

1174
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:13,230
fields temperature drops which is I

1175
00:49:17,060 --> 00:49:15,450
suppose the most common theory in the

1176
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:17,070
ghost hunting world and then you were

1177
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,690
talking about you know interdimensional

1178
00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:20,640
beings and all that sort of stuff we do

1179
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:21,990
transdimensional and don't forget

1180
00:49:27,380 --> 00:49:24,450
timeslips as well well good actors time

1181
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,390
slipping well there is um we had an

1182
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:29,880
incident recently with a with a team we

1183
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:32,760
were working with which I won't go into

1184
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:34,110
it but it pretty much do they all head

1185
00:49:36,830 --> 00:49:35,280
in and we started talking about

1186
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:36,840
different dimensions because as you said

1187
00:49:41,570 --> 00:49:40,260
Tom rifts where could this person who's

1188
00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:41,580
speaking to us now I'm making these

1189
00:49:48,140 --> 00:49:44,670
objects move on and do whatever now can

1190
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,150
they hear our voice of a living 80 years

1191
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:49,680
ago and actually listening to our voice

1192
00:49:54,110 --> 00:49:52,410
and where the ghosts you know yes yeah

1193
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:54,120
we just don't know and that's and that's

1194
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,530
what we're looking for but it we're not

1195
00:49:59,810 --> 00:49:57,420
so much looking to prove if the

1196
00:50:02,000 --> 00:49:59,820
paranormal and ghost exists we're trying

1197
00:50:04,340 --> 00:50:02,010
to figure out how and why this this

1198
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:04,350
phenomena occurs well thank you for your

1199
00:50:06,860 --> 00:50:05,940
time today and have a great time he

1200
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:06,870
would have run because it says there's

1201
00:50:09,980 --> 00:50:08,130
quite a good mood here today's and there

1202
00:50:12,590 --> 00:50:09,990
is everyone loves it you know and as I

1203
00:50:13,850 --> 00:50:12,600
said it's a it's a quite a young field

1204
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:13,860
and Australia but people are starting

1205
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:15,960
open their minds up a bit and I think if

1206
00:50:18,980 --> 00:50:17,400
you look on the internet I think you'll

1207
00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:18,990
probably find that you know 50 / 50

1208
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,790
percent of the population of the globe

1209
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:23,520
believes in something else and where can

1210
00:50:27,380 --> 00:50:25,380
we find you on the web you can find us

1211
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:27,390
on ghost hunters of south coast and

1212
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:29,310
territories via Facebook and same with

1213
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:30,570
the ghost paranormal street where as

1214
00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:57,440
it's all over Ron had to leave earlier I

1215
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:00,660
think he had enough and Alethea and Joe

1216
00:51:04,310 --> 00:51:02,370
and I stayed right to the bitter end

1217
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:04,320
work a little while longer at least

1218
00:51:08,540 --> 00:51:06,450
where we're at the Olympic Park train

1219
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,550
station to get our trains on to our

1220
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:11,040
various places where we live Alethea

1221
00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:15,660
it's all over but I could see your anger

1222
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:17,550
welling up at one particular point I

1223
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:20,090
must say yeah there was a store um

1224
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:24,330
handing out books about how the massacre

1225
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:27,750
of Nanking never happened and actually

1226
00:51:31,850 --> 00:51:30,090
everyone was really happy and smiley

1227
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:31,860
when though the Japanese soldiers came

1228
00:51:37,130 --> 00:51:34,740
and there were no comfort women there

1229
00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:37,140
was no rape or nothing like that it was

1230
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:39,870
all hunky-dory yeah and you made the

1231
00:51:44,090 --> 00:51:41,880
point that if those people been

1232
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:44,100
Holocaust deniers they'd never be

1233
00:51:49,610 --> 00:51:47,700
allowed in no yeah no it would have been

1234
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:49,620
unthinkable to allow Holocaust deniers

1235
00:51:55,070 --> 00:51:52,200
and I'm wondering why that was permitted

1236
00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:55,080
well now we know we might be able to do

1237
00:51:58,850 --> 00:51:56,430
something about it make a fuss that's

1238
00:52:00,680 --> 00:51:58,860
why one of the reasons why I keep coming

1239
00:52:02,210 --> 00:52:00,690
back year after year after year every

1240
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:02,220
now and then we discover something that

1241
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:03,780
we can actually make a fuss about and

1242
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:05,700
the thing that out I know that was

1243
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:07,110
outrageous but the other things that I

1244
00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:08,850
found outrageous were these diagnostic

1245
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:10,950
computers you put on the headphones and

1246
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,390
suddenly your organs are on the screen

1247
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:14,160
and flashing lights and they can

1248
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:16,530
diagnose you which is just as we were

1249
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:18,690
mentioning apparently hospitals and

1250
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:21,420
Russia and Japan have those machines not

1251
00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:23,370
here because we're too far away from

1252
00:52:28,070 --> 00:52:26,280
Russia to have those machines damn but

1253
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,080
luckily there's one here the mind-body

1254
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:30,720
wallet that you can try for just $95

1255
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:34,500
what a bargain how are you Joe alabaster

1256
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:37,710
I'm doing quite well actually um I've

1257
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:41,910
had some Christian healing which was

1258
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:44,460
basically a guided meditation once again

1259
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,110
and people putting hands on my shoulders

1260
00:52:55,299 --> 00:52:48,480
and me sitting still and I could

1261
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,890
replacing the bus announcements that's

1262
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,280
right we're going to try an announcement

1263
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:01,680
another bus announcement announcement so

1264
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:03,900
yes ya know it felt quite pleasant

1265
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:07,619
actually um it was worth going over it

1266
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:09,210
was definitely worth going yeah

1267
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:10,770
absolutely there are a couple of pushy

1268
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:14,640
people kind of um I had one Chinese

1269
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:17,460
massage person who was very insistent

1270
00:53:23,299 --> 00:53:20,940
that I needed a massage and I made the

1271
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:23,309
excuse to go off to an ATM and then kind

1272
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:24,780
of hightailed it out of there which

1273
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:26,970
might not have been the kindest thing to

1274
00:53:32,809 --> 00:53:29,400
do but yeah other than that people

1275
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,819
generally quite nice I thought oh yeah I

1276
00:53:36,859 --> 00:53:34,319
didn't leave quite nice but I tell you

1277
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:36,869
what Joe alabasta we did well today you

1278
00:53:45,549 --> 00:53:39,690
and I both got which into my tea bag

1279
00:53:49,069 --> 00:53:45,559
here here it is oh man a packet of

1280
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:49,079
coconut cream coconut hot chocolate but

1281
00:53:53,089 --> 00:53:51,240
all he comes the train it does come the

1282
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:53,099
train all right while the trains pulling

1283
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:55,530
in and we're jumping on this is Richard

1284
00:54:05,990 --> 00:53:57,480
Saunders Joe alabaster Alethea Dean

1285
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,000
signing off from Olympic Park hey you've

1286
00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:09,359
been listening to the skeptic zone visit

1287
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:13,950
our website at www skeptics on TV for